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True Womanhood – June Cleaver as Jesus

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  • http://www.fromtwotoone.com/ Danielle | from two to one

    1. First off, it’s highly ironic that they are somewhat disparaging to “-isms” when they themselves are proponents of another “-ism” — complementarianism or even patriarchalism. Sigh.

    2. They created a complete false dichotomy between Christians living out their values in service and honor to Christ, and creating better laws for society. Organizations like International Justice Mission or the Tahirih Justice Center are prime examples of how Christians can live out their values….by practicing law and advocating for better justice systems. Sigh.

    3. When folks like the True Woman crowd assert that feminists just wanted to be men, they are missing the point. Feminists want all people to be equal, but in their rosy-colored, June Cleaver-mentality, to be a man is to be equal since the male is norm. Sigh.

    4. “Nowadays the epitome of empowered womanhood is to live a self-serving, self-righteous, neurotic, narcissistic, superficial, and adulteress life.” I can’t even with this. Sigh.

    • http://www.carisadel.com/ Caris Adel

      #4 – they actually have another similar quote to that in a different week of the study. So apparantly, they really believe it. ugh.

  • http://www.thechurchofnopeople.com/ Matt Appling

    So many good things, Caris. :)

    • http://www.carisadel.com/ Caris Adel

      Thanks, Matt!

  • mamawest777

    My mother was and still is June Cleaver. But she never told me that was who God demanded me to be. It was her calling, not mine. To teach that all women are limited to an archaic ideal is not only unscriptural but quite frankly asinine. The logical conclusion, as you said, to this rationale is that God Himself must be limited if we are women made in His image. Again just asinine.

    • http://www.carisadel.com/ Caris Adel

      yes! I kind of hate that I fit her model, but then I look at my messy house when I’m writing and I don’t feel so bad about blowing the pearl necklace while vacuuming out of the water, haha!

  • http://avanomaly.blogspot.com/ Jamie

    Your intermittent quotes from the study are artfully done, like we’re listening to some tv personality droning, droning along in the background, clearly obsessed with the sound of their own voice.
    Will they listen, will anyone listen? I don’t know. We mostly just like what we want to hear and change only comes when we stop talking about Others in their corners until we are blue-faced.
    The TW study, as you have represented it through their quotes, seems designed to keep that voice going, steady and mesmerizing, with no room to question. No room to doubt if it can even make sense to blame one people group for all the social ills in existence.

    • http://www.carisadel.com/ Caris Adel

      Thanks :) Wasn’t quite sure how that format was going to work. I like the droning, lol.

  • http://www.allthingsbeautifulblog.com/ Alyssa Bacon-Liu

    “One of the reasons that our nation is under the judgment of God and is in such critical condition is because of what we have done as women, because if you go back to the 1960′s, you see everything pivots from that time….and from the feminist movement.” < —– probably the most cringe-inducing thing ever. EVER. Ugh. I can't even go into all the many, MANY ways this statement is bullshit but I'm glad you are tackling this cult of June Cleaver head on.

    • http://www.carisadel.com/ Caris Adel

      I think one was one of the most disappointing things – not b/c I haven’t heard it before, but b/c it came from Kay Arthur. I thought she was this normal person b/c everyone raves about her inductive studies (never done one, now never will) and her whole thing was awful. OMG. I don’t know if I’ll have a place for this quote or not, but she also said how we are a generation of harlots, raising a generation of harlots. OMG.

      • http://www.allthingsbeautifulblog.com/ Alyssa Bacon-Liu

        …wait…what???

        Sigh.

  • Megan Westra

    i just can’t even…

    how does one even attempt to cram God into that box?
    how is one so ignorant of the centuries of Christian heritage and women who proclaimed the Gospel with authority and in mighty ways?
    how the HECK is one so prideful as to think that ONE decade of culture and societal thought FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRY (because Cleaver-ism was not a phenomena worldwide…) best demonstrates God’s ideal for humanity.

    i just…i cannot even begin to understand.

  • Rachel

    This is wack-tastic junk. Thanks for doing the dirty work of rebuttal! I’m only reading snippets and I need a glass of wine and a jar of Nutella. Maybe a punching bag. Or just some self-actualization at my workplace.

  • Daisy

    Regarding this quote: “Nowadays the epitome of empowered womanhood is to live a self-serving, self-righteous, neurotic, narcissistic, superficial, and adulteress life.” I finally came to the realization a couple years ago I have something called “codependency.”

    Codependency has many characteristics, some of which include the codependent always putting other people’s needs and feelings first; never placing one’s needs/feelings first; feeling guilty or afraid to tell people “No.” The codependent feels compelled to help and serve other people. Codependents do not realize they have a choice: they do not always have to help other people.

    Codependency is not biblical, but a lot of Christians think it is because they only pay attention to Bible verses that talk about being sacrificial, loving, meek, forgiving, and helping others. They ignore the verses that indicate self defense is acceptable, getting one’s needs met is assumed, and examples where Christ and Paul spoke forcefully against others, or where Christ chose to get his needs met instead of helping someone else.

    While it is true that men on occasion are codependents, women usually are; they are socialized by secular culture, parents, and by churches to be that way. Gender complementarianism is pretty much codependency hidden under a religious veneer.

    The Bible teaches that we are each responsible for our own lives and choices (both males and females), but one thing (of several) where gender comps mirror codependency in their gender role teachings is where some of them insist a husband (or father or male preacher) answers to God for a woman, that a woman is not completely responsible for her life or decisions, and/or that God does not hold a woman fully responsible for her life/choices, he supposedly holds her husband accountable.

    Never mind of course that the Bible does not teach a male priesthood of believers; the Bible says all believers are priest before God (not just men), and that there is only one high priest between humanity and God, and that is Jesus Christ – not a husband or father or preacher.

    There are several other similarities between gender complementarianism and codependency. Codependency also leaves women vulnerable to being abused – the very traits Christian women are taught are “biblical” and feminine (such as being a passive, sweet, quiet, gentle, submissive doormat to everyone including men), makes them appealing targets for abusive, mean, cruel, controlling selfish, or narcissistic men.

    • http://www.carisadel.com/ Caris Adel

      I love this whole comment. Such a good point. So, so good.

  • Helen

    I know I’m late commenting but as a history buff I want to leave my 2 cents.

    Societies, eras, cultures and time periods all have ideals of what they would like. But then there is what was or is ideal and what is or was real. June Cleaver was the ideal 1950s wife, but real 1950s wives were women like my mom’s mom who did the housewife gig but also d to work dead-end jobs to feed the family when my grandpa was sick or my dad’s mom who worked her butt off in the post office and was rewarded with a pat on the butt by her boss.

    Cleaver was an idealized fantasy of a woman who did not exist. Sure, this was the realityfor a small percentage of Americans back then but not for most women or men for that matter.

    Whenever I read these teachings, I consider them in violation of the Bible itself which states in Ecclesiastes that we are not to ask why the old days were better than this. We are to preach Christ in the present, not use the Bible to promote a fantasy about a past that never was about a way of life that never should have been.

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